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7/27/2014 4:20 PM  #1


Rifle I Need To Use More Often

I haven't shot my .40 caliber with 1 in 72 twist - 7/8x36 w/ .010 Round Bottom Rifling (by Ed Rayl) for some time.  This morning I took it to the Range and posted a target at 25 yards.  Now you can't see the "X" or the center 2" circle on this target when you're aiming.  I use this target as a "trainer" type target for practicing shooting center mass (such as one might do when shooting a target they have to determine where center is and have no reference point.) The circle is 2 inches, and the overall paper is 5-1/2 x 8-1/2 inches.  I got the first 4 shots in the 2" circle and threw the 5th outside (knew it as soon as I pulled the trigger).

Anyway, a good rifle I feel, built by me to fit me, for my short range offhand shooting (target and small game hunting).  My load this morning was 35 grains 3fg Goex, .017 (TC Lubed & Spit) pillow ticking, .395 ball.  Rifle weighs in at 9 pounds.  Just a joy to shoot, and I don't shoot it enough but thought I'd share.  It'll handle loads up to 70 grains with good results.  Why I don't shoot this one more often is anyones guess...  It's a good rifle.

[Side Note;  On an 8 Ring Black NMLRA 25 yard target, it would score 9 9 10 10 6 = 45

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll240/JoethebowM/001_zpscb0ec6ea.jpg

Last edited by Candle Snuffer (7/27/2014 4:37 PM)


Joe
 

7/28/2014 6:28 PM  #2


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Beautiful

 

7/28/2014 7:31 PM  #3


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Thank you.

I built this about 10 - 12 years ago and haven't shot it much over this time.  With the price of powder these days, it may just start seeing a lot of use.  It might just make a good Table Rifle as well? 


Joe
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8/13/2014 1:08 PM  #4


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I kind of think my shooting drills (above with the 5-1/2 x 8-1/2 inch paper "finding center") are paying off. I'm still getting a flyer somewhat.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll240/JoethebowM/th_8d67e628-a9c7-4960-b8ee-cd90b75e70b4_zpsf2513cc7.jpg


Joe
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8/13/2014 7:51 PM  #5


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Seems like the older I get the more of them "somewhat fliers" show up?http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/normal.png


RB


One good shot doesn't make a match but one bad shot dang sure can ruin a match!
 

8/13/2014 8:17 PM  #6


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Nice looking rifle.

 

8/14/2014 7:55 AM  #7


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RB, as long as we can keep those fliers in the black a bit longer.http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png


Thanks Ken. I've always been a fan of just a basic rifle that will hopefully perform well when I'm done with it.  This particular rifle started out as an idea of how a small bore (.40 cal) with 1 in 72 twist, 0.10 depth round bottom rifling would perform as a 25 yard offhand. Everything I thow down it (powder wise) seems to give good results. It doesn't do to bad at 50 yards either provided the wind isn't to bad.  I'm having fun with it.http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png


Joe
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8/14/2014 12:18 PM  #8


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Joe, was that slow-twist .40 a special order? Most of the .40's I've run across are considerably faster, like 1:48.


"Anything worth doing is worth doing slowly." Mae West
"Speed's fine, but accuracy's final." Bill Jordan
 

8/14/2014 12:57 PM  #9


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Kermit wrote:

Joe, was that slow-twist .40 a special order? Most of the .40's I've run across are considerably faster, like 1:48.

Yes, it was.  Ed Rayl did it for me.  He also did one in a .45 that I built for a fellow muzzle loader shooter that was .45 x 7/8" x 38" long, with .010 depth round bottom rifling.  After the build we took it to the range and Stan (the guy I made the rifle for) stacked 5 shots almost in the same hole from 25 yards off the bench using (if I recall) just 45 grains 3f Goex, and a .440 patched ball.  He then had me build him a plains rifle in .54 caliber for deer hunting season (though a Green Mnt Brl was used in that build), and he still uses it to this day for the muzzle loading deer season.

I've always been impressed with what I read of Ed Rayl's barrels, and after experiencing two of them, the reputation is well earned IMHO.http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png

 


Joe
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8/14/2014 4:42 PM  #10


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Kermit,
I too use Rayl barrels. My table gun is a 1 1/8 X 34 in .40 caliber with a 1-56 ROT with .012 rifleing. It's holding 3/4 to 7/8 groups (13 shots) off the table at 30 yards. Load is .395 ball, 55 grains FFFg and .015 pre lubed patches.
Mark

 

8/21/2014 7:39 AM  #11


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Shot this target last night (25 yards offhand) after work with my .40 Cal Ed Rayl barreled rifle (40 grains 2f Goex, .395 Ball, .017 spit patch)...  I'm happy with this load!

I don't expect this kind of shooting offhand every time out, but I know what this rifle is capable of, and what I'm capable of every once in a'while when wind and light conditions are right.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll240/JoethebowM/001_zps16fd6f3d.jpg


 


Joe
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8/21/2014 4:19 PM  #12


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Good looking target. Keep up the good shooting Joe.

 

8/21/2014 5:59 PM  #13


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Good target! I don't mind those "somewhat fliers" when they are in the nine ring as long as there isn't too many of them.

RB


One good shot doesn't make a match but one bad shot dang sure can ruin a match!
 

8/24/2014 9:50 PM  #14


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Thanks guys.  Would have gotten back to this post sonner, but we took our son off to College this past weekend.  Our nest is now empty.  Dog-gone-it,,, I sure miss the kids and grandson!


Joe
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10/07/2014 9:59 PM  #15


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Gotta Love the 40's. i have one in the making. sold mine years ago and regretted it since then.

 

10/07/2014 10:01 PM  #16


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Candle Snuffer, i know Ed Personally. great guy and barrel maker.

 

1/25/2015 4:48 PM  #17


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Virginiarifleman wrote:

Candle Snuffer, i know Ed Personally. great guy and barrel maker.

I sure like his work.


Joe
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5/30/2015 7:48 PM  #18


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That's great shooting Candle Snuffer. I'm guessing that's how you got that name. Got a question for you shooters on what is considered the "proper" or maybe at least the "most often used" method for supporting a rifle for offhand shooting with your left hand, (right handed shooters) Do you place your left hand out away fron your body say under the  balance point of the rifle or have that support hand back next to the trigger guard with your arm tucked in against your body? I've been playing with this for a while and can't seem to find that ideal method. Any thoughts on this as to why one might be better than the other?

Grey Hawk

 

5/31/2015 6:24 AM  #19


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I prefer to keep my offhand close to the trigger guard having the weight of the barrel hang seems most steady for me. You have to keep the rifle in the plam of your hand if shooting NMLRA matches I also like to get my elbow directly under my offhand you really don't want the elbow off to the side pushing at an angle. This may seems a little awkward at first but with practice it becomes very steady. You may need to re-positon your feet to find your natural target alignment, relax almost sag into positon rest on bones not muscles. A good offhand shooter looks almost sloppy while shooting but who cares as long as you punch out the center of the target. Works for me anyway your milage may vary!

Richard


One good shot doesn't make a match but one bad shot dang sure can ruin a match!
 

6/09/2015 1:07 AM  #20


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I would completely defer to Richard on his point, he is a much better shooter than I.  I have noticed that hand out your sight picture moves a bit more, but If I flinch it is smaller than hand in.  Hand in the site picture is much tighter, but if you flinch its going to be bad.  Currently I'm shooting a little lighter gun and holding support hand out as far as I can.


Parkawood -
 

6/09/2015 1:10 AM  #21


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Of course in my profile photo I'm holding in tight, wouldn't that figure?   


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6/09/2015 7:06 AM  #22


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Flinch? What's that????? http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/confused.png


RB


One good shot doesn't make a match but one bad shot dang sure can ruin a match!
 

6/11/2015 12:53 AM  #23


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flinch - verb  1.  make a quick, nervous movement of the face or body as an instinctive reaction to surprise, fear or pain.  (this happens to us mere mortals) ;-)  I'm sure if you watch this weekend I'll flinch at least once or twice in the 14 Aggs, 43 Matches & 290 Shots.

 


Parkawood -
 

6/11/2015 5:54 AM  #24


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I'll be too busy taking care of my 3 or 4 aggs.

RB


One good shot doesn't make a match but one bad shot dang sure can ruin a match!
 

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